These Textual Variants have a good chance of being original (viable), and change the meaning of the text (meaningful). The NKJV deletes the word blood 23 times, from the KJV. The way I see it Jesus is the only 100% true word of God and I need to rely on His Holy Spirit to guide me every time I open the Bible. Any uncertainty is 100% uncertainty Right? 16 So the last will be first, and the first last. The more difficult reading should be preferred. Erasmus used an expression in the course of his Apologia addressed to Stunica which was misunderstood by the eighteenth-century Pietist Bengel (one of the two leading lights of Pietism at that time, the other being Zinzendorf), and the misunderstanding encouraged Bengel to give less credit than deserved to Erasmus work on the Book of Revelation. For the other half, Scrivener was usually able to find corresponding Greek readings in the editions of Erasmus, or in theComplutensian Polyglot. (NKJV or NASB, though the ESV barely eeks out an acceptable rating if you find the other two are too hard to understand.). such as the Textus Receptus.A number of translations began to use critical Greek editions, beginning with the translation of the Revised Version in England in 1881-1885. (On average. The myth of Erasmus back translating is based on a misconstruction (to put it in the kindest possible light) of statements made by Erasmus in his Apologia addressed to Stunica of the Complutensian team, in his Annotations to the Apocalypse, the Book of Revelation, and in his replies to the criticisms of Lee. NETS Committees Accessed March 26, 2011. This is the position held by a majority of New Testament Scholars, and nearly all modern Bible are translated from the Critical Text. However, youd like to keep a copy, so you hire a scribe to copy the letter before passing it on. They have been made available to every generation (Psalm 33:11; Psalm 100:5; Psalm 119:89-90; Isaiah 59:21). Scriveners Textus Receptus is the closest to the Greek text which underlines the KJV. So each correct manuscript will always spawn 2 more correct manuscript, but also 1 incorrect manuscript will spawn 2 more incorrect manuscripts (and no correct manuscripts). Reasoned Eclecticism / Critical Text Conclusion, The Mathematical Case for The Majority Text, However, Some say this mathematical model is Wrong. Just as the doctrine of inspiration is considered to be foundational to our understanding of the Bible, so should be the doctrine of preservation. It is a great Bible for reading and study too and i am thoroughly enjoying it. Please dont mistake my question for a mere rhetorical one (though its partially that), If perfect preservation is the case, then thats THE question that matters most regarding Scripture. The Codex Vaticanus gets its name from the place where it was stored, the Vatican library. After reading this one article, youll know more about these topics than the overwhelming vast majority of Christians. Therefore, ~130 pages were going to be burned. I knew basically nothing about Textual Criticism before reading this. Further the Majority Text theory could be in trouble if it could be proven that large chunks of manuscripts were lost. The Textus Receptus - What is it? Terrific article. Well talk more about this later. ), Westcott & Hort preferred to take manuscripts they deemed as more reliable (read: early and Alexandrian) and rely of their readings more. Besides the obvious problem with saying that God must do something, theres no basis for that assertion besides a few man-made creeds. Its worth noting that Codex Sinaiticus is far longer than 130 pages. PS: If possible please e-mail me unless I will get an email notification of a reply to this comment. Also, do you have another source for what the second quote states? Despite the strong support weve just seen, the Majority Text theory does have some significant weaknesses. Not only do Homers works have more manuscript evidence available than any other piece of classical literature (though far less than that available for the NT), but Homer also is represented by MSS from a wide chronological and geographical range, from the early papyri through the uncials and Byzantine-era minuscules. Being so dry, Egypt has an ideal climate for such preservation. Lets begin with Erasmus. Thats from the 4th century to the ~15th century; a period of 1,100 years (over a millennia) with virtually no change. God didnt write multiple Bibles did He? In fact, it was Roman policy to destroy Biblical manuscripts at one time. I just bought a World English Bible.This is where the World English Bible (also known as the WEB Bible) comes to the rescue. You said applying verses 10 to male authority doesnt make sense, but it makes perfect sense. (34 readings were changed from the NA27 to the NA28). In the 480-page edition of the Trinitarian Bible Society Textus Receptus this would amount to almost 34 pages, the equivalent of the final two books of the New Testament, Jude and Revelation (Thomas Strouse, Review of From the Mind of God to the Mind of Man, November 2000). That means the only support for the Doctrine of (perfect) Preservation is the tradition of men. Thank you! The Bibles authority is only as great as our confidence in its reliability. They range from the alteration of a single letter to the insertion of whole sentences. The Westcott and Hort text is much simpler to define. Daniel B. Wallace says, Revelation was copied less often than any other book of the NT, and yet Irenaeus admits that it was already corrupted within just a few decades of the writing of the Apocalypse, Theres an argument to be made that the Alexandrian Text type was corrupted very early. In textual criticism the pure theoretician has often done more harm than good. Well, it was Westcott & Hort who said of the Western text: Words and even clauses are changed, omitted, and inserted with surprising freedom, wherever it seemed that the meaning could be brought out with greater force and definiteness. Therefore, it shouldnt be surprising that they basically ignored the Western text type. Essentially, each Greek manuscript has one vote, all the variants are voted on by all the manuscripts, and whichever variant has the most votes wins. However, the New Covenant superseded the Old, and at that point, the Old passed away or was rendered void Just like Jesus said. Throughout Europe the Elzevir editions came to occupy a place of honor, and their text was employed as the standard one for commentary and collation. However, real Textual Criticism with a set of rules still must be applied. The name Textus Receptus comes from the preface to the 1633 edition of Abraham & Bonaventure Elzevirs Greek New Testament. I think how you can see how they get the Doctrine of Preservation, but it seems quite a stretch. And gently lead those who are with young. I lead a mens Bible study which is currently discussing truth and questions came up over the parenthetical thought in 1 Tim 2:7 ( vs ). While indeed some of the favorite passages among my ilk are weak in conveying what Confessionalists say they do, some are quite clear, particularly Peter and Christs own statements to the longevity of His owm words, which would include any words of God unless He expressly stated otherwise. It conjures in my mind imagery from that classic Sir Knight of the Splendid Way when the Gray Questioner began placing casual doubt in the mind of Gods servant, until he was lost on a sea of doubt and confusion. GNB NET NRSV, Great explanations of Varying If you dont believe in any form of preservation, were not going to end up with the same conclusions, no matter how long we talk. We can broadly class all Textual Variants into two classes. Thats a bad idea. Though the earliest work was prepared by Desiderius Erasmus, his work was later revised by Robert Estienne (or, Stephanus) and further revised by Theodore Beza. The links in this article will be read later. The Tetragrammaton (over 6,800 times in the OT) will be rendered as Yahweh. (see 1 Timothy 2:11-12, Ephesians 5, 1 Peter 3, 1 Corinthians 7:36-38, Numbers 30, etc.). 18. Exactly. Because if you apply the same reasoning to Messianic prophecies in Psalms, it will show that those texts actually apply to David, not Jesus, etc. He has preserved them for us! The result is called a Critical Text. Again, they believed that the Byzantine Text type was a combination of the Alexandrian and Western text types. Weve been super busy. Theres good evidence that he had more manuscripts to choose from, but decided to use only those 7 (presumably because they were of the best quality, but we dont know for sure). Thus there were places in which it is unclear what the Greek basis of the New Testament was. Says your God. 17. You sourced the second quote, but not the first. And every mountain and hill brought low; There are only two reasons for this: (1) its nearly complete, (2) the older is better mantra. Some scholars would say he wasnt even middle of the pack. Thus, they felt free to ignore them (as weve already discussed). I do think God will preserve scripture, I just cant think of a verse that promises He will. There is no way to reduce Erasmus entire pool to 7-8 manuscripts. I would be very interested to hear your views on this topic. The Textus Receptus goes back to the early Christians. One issue, a minor one, the majority of Greek manuscripts show the content of Romans 16:25-27 actually belongs in 14:24-26. I know too much Greek to accept something that was (seemingly) intentionally mistranslated. I even purchased an interlinear bible because I wanted to know what was really said. First, I couldnt find an article like this when I went looking so I figured Id have to do the research myself. This should warn us to beware of novel theories broached by Bengel and to examine with more than normal diligence statements made by him in support of such theories. there are only 2 streams of bible versions, the true text of the textus receptus (majority text) on which the king james version is based, and those which picked up the alexandrian manuscripts (minority text), the codex alexandrian, codex sinaiticus and codex vaticanus which have been shown to have deleted and changed many parts of the text and There is some disagreement on the actual level of quality. The fact that the Byzantine Text type dominates the manuscript copies is proof of disproportionate copying. However, dont trust the English there, look at the shorthand underneath the English words. We have the promise that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all Truth (John 16:13), and so can indeed affirm that "Our Church . The Byzantine text type does have some very early witnesses, (in papyri from the 200s and 300s) but these often contain Byzantine readings mixed in with the other text types. We have thereby passed beyond purely numerical relations, and the necessity of examining the genealogy of both minority and majority has become apparent. Taken seriously, we may be 50 years from new discoveries that will lead us to believe there are tremendous errors and human mistakes that have been passed down. Are you aware that that is a myth, or at least that that assertion has been shown of many to be false? Church ", just as the V ulgate became textus receptus for the Catholic Church and the Masoretic T ext became textus receptus for the Pr otestants. They believe that God kept one particular text completely free of error, and that text is the Textus Receptus. This video covers a subject that can be strongly debated among some Christians. It is the wisdom of the world that is foolishness to God. By Bakershalfdozen July 14, 2008 in The Bible (KJV) Share More sharing options. Certainly, the Word of God (Jesus, as in John 1:1) will live and endure forever. Confirms what I had already come to believe, but with a lot of supporting information. 1 Corinthians 11:8-10 (WEB) For a sense of scale, weve already seen that (doing the math and estimating) there are ~6470 textual variations between the Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus. I find the KJV Onlyists arguments to be extremely weak, to be honest, though itd be nice if that were the answer to this problem of textual and translational variation in Bibles. Meanwhile, North Africa and the East were conquered by Muslims. But we proved to be gentle among you, as a nursing mother tenderly cares for her own children. Which single, specific document or manuscript do you think is entirely without error? They believe that over time good manuscripts will push out bad manuscripts. Its definitely a step in the right direction. He worked for the University of Toronto from 1951 until his retirement in 1984. (The other being the 1995 NASB). (Note: Ive copy/pasted the only relevant difference, but you can: Click here to expand the full list of the Aland rules of Textual Criticism. I want to give the men knowledge without taking a side (although I certainly have my own preference). It is accepted as being the closest text to that used for the English King James translation in 1611. Im more than happy to discuss the story, but please comment on that article to keep things on topic (as Ive already requested). I really appreciate your article, Hi Author, But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christby grace you have been saved and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus. Amazing . Therefore, they had the saying the shorter reading is the more probable reading.. There are three major competing Greek sources to use for translating the New Testament: the Critical Text, the Majority Text, and the Textus Receptus. He put the universal Catholic epistles before Pauls so the beginning and ending letters of all of the epistles would form a mathematical pattern. Scarcely had he entered the room, when, resuming our former subject of conversation, he said: And I, too, have read a Septuaginti.e. Or to put it another way: The Majority Text method within textual criticism could be called the democratic method. Hmmm, .maybe thats what He intended. I still have not settled on a position and am not sure I ever will. Unfortunately, we know that happened in at least two ways. If you only include the Greek manuscripts, then indeed the Byzantine Text type is the majority. Second, Im hoping to steer the discussion on biblical text somewhat in the direction of not completely dismissing the Byzantine text out of hand. Further, lets tip this against the Majority Text. Im not sure I would agree, but Im not sure Id disagree either. Regardless of what you might say, you live in a very limited context and are influenced by the small sphere that you live in, therefore, I would stand with God and His Word no matter what you might see in this present time. However, the majority of these manuscripts are later than Alexandrian manuscripts. Ill freely admit that this article isnt practical for most Christians. Now with Accented Septuagint and Textus Receptus. One appears to be of mediocre quality, the other of good quality. Posted July 16, 2008. (The Masoretic text is the traditional Hebrew text, and contains far fewer textual variants than the New Testament.) General Introduction: To the Reader of NETS. Not perfect by any stretch and it definitely has mistakes, but very good overall. 1 Corinthians 11:10, which Ive copy/pasted below with verses 8-9 for a bit of context. The WEB reads like a smooth ASV in the New Testament. He was able to view 43 sheets, which was a third of the sheets that were to be burned. I currently hold a KJV only position, but am curious as to whether other versions dont speak as much to sin or disregard significant doctrine? He also was responsible for the publication of Ruth in the Biblia Hebraica Quinta: General Introduction and Megilloth fascicle. Family 35 doesnt include any Uncials and I believe the oldest manuscript in the family is late-ish; early second millennium. The too lively satisfaction which I had displayed had aroused their suspicions as to the value of this manuscript. 8. (Note: the He in the quote below is Dean Burgon). d. Therefore, we will refer to the two lineages based on their origins: Antioch/Antiochian and Alexandria/Alexandrian. Obviously they were different and didnt always agree. The WEB translation reads: For this cause the woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels. The first document to be called Textus Receptus was the 1633 printing of the Elzevir Greek New Testament, which was substantially identical to the 1565 version of Bezas Greek New Testament. For she has received from the Lords hand 1.3 = Fixed Galatians onwards verses error. However, theres a very big problem when someone makes a dogmatic doctrinal position without the support of scripture. This translation will be available by the end of year 2021. (As shown in the article), And by the way, I do have a high opinion of the TR and prefer it to the Critical text in many ways. In the end, the entire Confessional Position can be boiled down to a single question: This is the issue for the Confessional Position. Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host (stars) by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. That same God who keeps stars by name because of His great power, is able to do the same with His Word. It gets rid of archaic words and phrases, provide quotation marks (they were not in the ASV), and resolves textual issues that have appeared after 1901. Koine Greek New Testament - Accented Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus . So whos to say that my wife isnt running around town in her Pajamas? 2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Eusebius, Church historian of the same era, recorded that many Scriptures were burned during the Diocletian persecution. John Chrysostom ( 407) cited the Byzantine text of his time and is its oldest witness. Erasmus Text Receptus maintained a text form thats similar to the Byzantine Majority Text, but theyre definitely not the same. But who knows what other historical activities were involved with the disappearance of NT Greek MSS and that what we have today truly represents the quality copies that were made? 1st generation: 2 correct copies, 1 incorrect copy (, 2nd generation: 4 correct copies, 3 incorrect copies. Majority Text scholars take a more mathematical approach to deciding what the original text of the New Testament was. Ever since then, I have done a lot of study on Bible manuscripts and I have been struggling a lot with the differences between the textus receptus and the critical text. For example, imagine trying to reconstruct the Greek text by having several different English translations. My question is if the Critical Text is the text behind the NASB and comes primarily from two manuscripts that are of dubious quality, why do you prefer the NASB? I was reading on a KJV only website that the NKJV does actually refer to the Hort text, just not as much as other modern versions. All of these versions, (do you see the problem? Their desire is to preserve the legacy of the NASB95, as well as incorporate two major changes: They are saved by Jesus Christ who washes away sin from them through their Baptism, and gives them eternal life. I unrolled the cover, and discovered, to my great surprise, not only those very fragments which, fifteen years before, I had taken out of the basket, but also other parts of the Old Testament, the New Testament complete, and, in addition, the Epistle of Barnabas and a part of the Pastor of Hermas. Because these manuscripts are so foundational to modern Critical Text, they bear a closer look. (Not a big deal for you, Im sure, but Im just s single mom of three with a thirst for the Word.) Their theory has since been categorically proven wrong, partially by new manuscript findings. Coming from a KJV is the preserved words of God or as close as anyone has it in English AND holding a confessional position in regard to that, I find it refreshing to discover a critic who concedes and is open about the KJVs unique eclecticism in its origins as opposed to the usual inaccurate treatment of it as wholly Majority Text as opposed to mainly Majority Text with reasoned deviations. For our purposes here, the term textus receptus means the 1550 edition of the Greek New Testament published by Robertus Stephanus. The NKJV is a purification of the KJV. Apologize for typos, kind of hurriedly typed that up on my phone. I believe this is the same viewpoint you use when dealing with the text issue. (In a footnote, Royse helpfully defines significant singular readings as those singular readings that remain after exclusion of nonsense-readings and orthographic variants.). All the theistic evolutionists tend to use the humanistic viewpoint when explaining the first 3 chapters of Genesis. (Because the previous word ends with an n sound). When do you think the church lost the true preserved Word of God? The Textus Receptus book. Thus, I treat it as my personal opinion. This is a rather dangerous way to come about your convictions and personal opinions. Do you believe that there is no church in the whole world that actually has the preserved Word of God? No Scholar . Read simply, you can see how someone would get the Doctrine of preservation from this passage. The grass withers, There one can observe that between NA25 and NA27, there were 397 changes in the Gospels, 119 in Acts, 149 in the Pauline Epistles, 46 in the General Epistles, and 29 in Revelation, internal evidence is found to the contrary,, No readings of B can safely be rejected absolutely, In fact, when you see a Bible footnote that says the earliest and best manuscripts, they are almost universally talking about these two manuscripts, and, It bears traces of careless transcription in every page. More importantly, its patently unbiblical. The KJV NT was based on 25 manuscripts, as did the NKJV. The Textus Receptus was the result of the resources available at its time and it marked an important turning point in Bible translation and study. Their origins: Antioch/Antiochian and Alexandria/Alexandrian century to the insertion of whole sentences incorrect copies of many to be.! 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